Down Grove Lane Along Church Street To 'the Green' And Then Up Denmark Hill

A Memory of Camberwell.

I lived in Camberwell from 1944 until when I married in 1964.
There remains a small terrace of seven houses in Grove Lane called ‘Grove Lane Terrace’; they were built in the 1920s. My family has deeper roots than Grove Lane as my mother was born and lived Wells Crescent and my father lived in Vestry Road until they married.
My grandfather told me that, when he was a boy, the land that the terrace was built on had been an orchard.
Just before my fifth birthday I started school at Dog Kennel Hill in the pre-school class. One of my memories from this time is, in the summer, sleeping on small fold up beds laid out on the grass in, what was then, the front of the school, beside the hill.
At that time the trams passed by on the main road so if, or how, we slept I have no idea. J
I was baptised in St Giles as an infant. When I was old enough I was taken to St Giles’ Sunday school and then, again when I was old enough – I think 7, I became a chorister in St Giles’ Choir. The choirmaster and organist at the time was R J Crickmer who had retired as Headmaster of Brunswick Park Primary School.
In 1952 I joined the Wolf Cub Pack of the 23rd Camberwell (St Giles) Scout Group. This had started out as the 109th South London in 1914 and in May 2014 we celebrated our centenary. For the Centenary I republished a little book, the history of the first 60 years that had been written by Guvna (Henry W Pearson) as part of the 60th Anniversary. (Note copies of this book, including group pictures up to date, are on sale now: all proceeds to 23rd Group funds – please contact the writer)
In 1952 the wolf cub pack met in St Giles small hall (now C.A.C.) and the Scout Troop in the main hall – St Giles Parish Hall - both still there in Benhill Road.
Life appeared to be much safer for children in my early years; at a very young age I was sent, (or allowed) to go, to buy the bread from Muhl’s the bakers just down the road on the corner of the Grove Lane (The Lane) and Daneville Rd
Mr Muhl opened another shop on Coldharbour Lane; just down the lane from Muhl’s was the butchers; We also bought from Edwards the Butchers, in Camberwell New Rd.; they MADE their own sausages and fagots, cooked meats, processed, other associated products like braun etc on the premises.
Further down the lane and around the corner into Church Street (to the left) was first the green grocer and fruiterers, then the Police Station and then the feed shop; here we bought feed for the chickens and hay for the rabbits, dog biscuits, from sacks, and biscuits for ourselves.
Further along were the banks: Westminster and on the opposite corner with Wren Road was Lloyds Bank, where Grandad banked; in my memory next was the Joe Lyons Café.
Now you were almost in Denmark Hill with the taxi rank and phone in the middle of the road; over to your right “the Green” with the, now replaced, steel railings, which had been removed during the war.
Returning to the foot of the lane and on right hand corner (Lane and Church St.) was ‘The Co-op’; The very next shop to the Co-op in Church Street was another ‘grocers’ I think it was S W Frosts, and here they sold the same things as the co-op but the shop was larger and the arrangement was such that on the left as you entered was the dairy etc counter and on the right the dry goods counter.
I remember lugging potatoes from the shop in Church Street or the stall in D’Eyns Road opposite the oil shop . When paraffin was not delivered it had to be collected from the oil shop on the corner of Camberwell Green and D’Eyns (prn. Danes) Road (now demolished);
Up the Lane (Grove Lane) after you had crossed the railway, where Champion Park meets the lane, there was a small row of shops. A hair dressers, a green grocers, the ‘sweet shop’, Franklin’s, and the United Dairies a wall and then next up was an off licence and then across the road into Canning Cross was the William Canning Pub. Further up from there was the Post Office.
I was given my first bike at 11, bought from Edwardes (still there) in Camberwell Road (called the Walworth Road as it led into it) Later I bought alloy wheels for it from the bike stall in East Street market
This brought to mind the fact that we often went to East Street Market on Sunday; here were all kinds of stalls and shops; there was the eel and pie shop on the main drag where we bought pie, mash and peas, boiled eels, again with mash or jellied eels – wonderful for Sunday lunch; There was the stall where we bought glasses of hot sarsaparilla in winter; the pet stall – stalls selling anything that you can imagine and the market ‘auctions’ where the guys would sell from a lorry standing up high holding the item for sale shouting “am I asking £10, am I asking £5, no give me a pound and this is yours”.
W H Smiths in Denmark Hill Station. The main station building is as it was but now a pub with a much smaller modern attachment with ticket machine behind.
I have many more memories: I also learnt to ring the bells at St Giles.
The shops on Denmark hill; the cinemas: Odeon, ABC, Essoldo, Grand, the Camberwell Palace theatre where I saw my first panto.
Vestry Road, the baker on the corner with Lettsom Street – the chippy, Joe the barber Lyndhurst Grove, The Bickley so much more.
Stories Road, Husseys over the hill, Doggie, the flats, Dulwich Hamlet, the library at East Dulwich; the baths at both Camberwell and East Dulwich; Dulwich Park, The Rye, Peckham: the model shop and the haberdashers shop.
Ruskin Park. The ATC shooting range up by the Fox (there was also a pub under as well as on the hill) Herne Hill, the lido in Brockwell Park.
STOGS playing fields so much more as we mainly walked everywhere but there were trams e.g. to Forest Hill, Underhill Road, rowing on Dulwich Park lake, the swans!
Coldharbour Lane – the tobacco shop; Brixton etc.
Richard Norman


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Comments & Feedback

just read your memories of camberwell it brought back so many memories of my childhood in camberwell and lived in Grove Lane from 1945 to the early seventies remember going to the bakers to get bread for my Mum before i went to school I also went to Dog Kennel Hill School and remember the nap we used to have in the afternoon and all the other shops you mentioned my Mum used to work part time in the oil shop although i moved from camberwell many years ago i still have many fond memories
Attended school in Camberwell, first St Joseph's Primary, Pitman Street then The Sacred Heart, Camberwell New Road. Goodness, such a detailed recollection of childhood memories. Remember the lido in Brockwell Park and the fun fair there once a year. Happy Days.
just reading your memories on Camberwell. my dad came from there. HE lived on what was called Edgecombe road number 17, he joined the army there in ww2 and did not return I think his house must have been destroyed in the war.he has long passed away so I don't know what it looked like all our pictures were destroyed in a house fire 1950s regards Bill Kemp
I am please to read your comments. Indeed I do remember the lido - I mention in the main piece - I think that it is still there and has (had) been restored and in use. I return to see friends and recently passed Horniman's which is recognisable tho very changed - smile RSN
Your memories are are so good. When you Mentioned Edwoods cycles my Dad was a copper there and knew Des Edwoods and gave me a job there in the 60’s and I got all my bikes through them. The time me and brother spent outside the Nag’s Head with a bottle of coke and a pack of crisps. Those fun times.
Wayne Ruffle
Hi Wayne, Thank you for your comments; we too would sit outside the Bickley with a glass of (R. Whites) lemonade and a packet of Smith’s crisps (with the little blue twist bag of salt) when the family were inside. I go back at least once each year as I have several friends, though sadly no family, including my best friend, who still live there. Edwardes shop (I mis-spelt it) is still there where it always was and still selling bikes. I guess still owned by the same family but I think that they may have grown the shopfront. You say your dad was a copper; based in Camberwell Police station? That too is still there but no longer ‘open’ - so I may have met or even known him; we did not know their names so what was his job? Was he in mounted branch or dogs? Did he drive the early cars – I remember the first two seat sports car they had – a black Daimler Dart! I really must expand my piece to cover my other memories that are only words in this piece.
I'm another ex St Joe's and Sacred Heart,we lived up Denmark hill in the flats at the top.
Ann
Hi everyone,

My name is Ocki and I live at 113A Grove Lane in a little shop house now called BLUE SHOP COTTAGE. I host art exhibitions, creative workshops and talks and meetups for the community.

Between 1951 and 1961 it was JEAN'S CAFE.

In 2020, with the help of some incredibly talented friends we are bring back JEAN’S CAFÉ to life. JEAN'S CAFÉ was on Grove Lane between 1951 and 1961 here where Blue Shop Cottage is now and I've found out, by visiting the local history archive, it was owned an run by a woman called Jean Ray.

I'm keen to find out about her and more about her cafe and wanted to ask if you could ask your families and friends who might know more to get in touch with me on hello@blueshopcottage.com. #searchingforjean

Can you help me find out more about the cafe and indeed about Jean Ray. Ocki x

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