Surrey St.
I have only just discovered this website and felt compelled to respond.
I was born in Heathfield Gardens, South Croydon in 1948 and my maiden name was Murphy. We moved to Wyche Grove near the Purley Arms, South Croydon when I was about 5 years old and we lived there until 1963 when we moved to the Isle of Wight. Something of a culture shock!
I remember trips up to Surrey Street market, noise of the stall holders and the old cabbage leaves and squashed bananas etc. near the stalls. I also remember the back entrance to Grants from the market and always thought it was something of a haven to get up into the decent surroundings of that nice store.
I went to Purley Oaks Primary School and then John Newnham, getting two buses to school and thinking nothing of it. I can remember getting quite excited when the new Routemaster bus came to Croydon and it served my routes to school in Addington.
We left Croydon just as all the new development was starting and the big office blocks were being built but came back regularly to visit our family. I hated that because it seemed that all the character of Croydon was being demolished. Would the town planners have allowed the destruction of Wilsons Coffee House opposite the Alms Houses today? I remember with fondness being taken, as a treat, to the mock Tudor building with its little nooks and crannies and dark wood settles where you could sit quietly and enjoy a toasted teacake or one of Wilson's gorgeous cakes to the smell of freshly roasted coffee and then move along to Kennards where we were taken down the arcade to see the animals and enjoy a ride on the ponies. I still have a photo taken of me with Father Christmas in his grotto at Kennards around 1953.
Although it is a decent shopping centre, it did seem a crime to get rid of the Whitgift School with its beautiful grounds where they held a very nice 'fair' with lots of activities I presume on an annual basis. My uncle took me there and left me to my own devices whilst he sampled the delights of the beer tent! Funny what you remember.
Are there any interior photos of the Davis Theatre remaining? It should never have been pulled down and replaced with such boring architecture. My mother worked for the Davis family in their offices in London during the war and when I was small, worked in the Davis Theatre and we went to see films and treated to lovely ice creams on the Mezzanine Floor. I can recall some of the numerous cinemas and theatres that Croydon had to offer including the Classic near the Swan & Sugarloaf, the Civic Hall down Crown Hill and was it the Odeon or Hippodrome along North End? I know my dad had a drink with a young Max Bygraves there as Max was just starting out in show business.
Sadly, Croydon is a much different place from the town I remember with affection all those years ago. I recently visited and felt a complete stranger.
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Enjoyed your memories of Croydon - especially the Davis, Kennards and Surrey Street. Heartily agree with your thoughts on the destruction of the Davis - a place which was once the biggest and best cinema/theatre in the UK.
Things change: yes true. Often the change is a mistake. A great shame.
You may remember Wandle Park, a place where I spent many happy hours as a kid. A lovely boating lake was a joy to me, gliding around in a rowing boat - under one or two little bridges where the water sparkled on the underside of the bridge. Then the fair would come for a couple of weeks. Great days. The lake was filled in and grassed over years ago. What a travesty! Now the 'planners' are going to restore Wandle Park, including a lake! Good for them; I hope it works.
I now live in the Scottish Borders and re-visited my old home town of Croydon about 12 years ago. Terribly disappointed. A massive concrete jungle in my view. I felt so sad at the way Croydon looked, felt and even smelt. Not good. Not good at all.
Regards, Phil Harfleet
Comment from Philip Harfleet on Thursday, 5th January 2012.
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Stumbled across your post whilst researching D H Lawrence's connection to the Croydon area (he taught at the Davidson Road School from 1908 - 1912; it's now Croydon Sixth Form College).
I was born in the area in 1960, so many of your observations of 'old' Croydon rang true. I remember the staff at Grants department store - they were all ancient old dears in terribly smart black and white uniforms.
An abiding memory (and favourite photo) is of me, aged 3, holding a costumed monkey outside Kennards arcade (very un-PC today, quite rightly).
I also remember the melee of Surrey Street market fondly. My best pal and I used to attend the 'Top Rank' Saturday kids' disco - very cool !!
How terribly sad, the destruction of Reeves Corner. A much, much poorer community and environs indeed. I felt a complete alien on a recent visit.
Comment from T Kent on Friday, 13th January 2012.
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Two years ago I drove into Croydon with my American wife to look around at my old haunts but was quickly disappointed with what I was seeing. Didn't stop, just drove straight out. I have some memories immediately pre the Second World War when I was taken to the Hamleys toy store (now gone) in George Street, given a present and then taken to Croydon General (now demolished) to have my tonsils removed! It was on my birthday! I attended Stanley Tech. in S. Norwood (now closed) and Croydon Poly on Scarborough Road (?) (Now demolished). Yes, I to went to the Davis Theatre (now gone) and tried to gain admission to Whitgift Middle (failed exam) (School demolished). Used the trams that ran from London to South Croydon (now gone. My Uncle made that happen when he was with London Transport). The 119 from Bromley used to park on a piece of open ground in West Croydon. After the war LT had insufficient buses to run the routes from Croydon to Bromley and leased some private single decker coaches to supplement the supply. Some open stair six wheel LT buses were still running. It was big news when the first RT buses arrived to replace them. There was a coach company on Dingwall Road and the site of the Technical college was just an open car park. A favorite place was Turtle's Hardware on Crown Hill and Hammond and Hussey's opposite Grants. So much has changed. I worked for Mullard Radio Valve in Mitcham (now a housing estate). Sometimes memories are best left untested. I rather wish I had not returned. Now live in Central Oregon, USA. What a difference!
Comment from David Roberts on Thursday, 9th February 2012.
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I remember the old Surrey Street and the posh shop Grants, also Kennards arcade, where they had the pony rides and the horses that went round and round inside the arcade. Also I worked in Broomfields up in George Street, no longer there. Went to East Croydon station last month and got lost so very different now, and not at all nice as it used to be. Even Lloyds Park is not the same, and Park Hill Gardens, well, say no more. When I went back after the 2011 riots I got very distressed to see all the damage, Reeves where we bought our first home from completely destroyed, how could they.
Comment from Elaine Ayton on Saturday, 11th February 2012.
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Thanks to you all for the memories - what a great site. I only discovered it last night and discovered a friend of my brother from his army days. I was born in 1943 in St Mary's and was looking for history of that hospital if anyone knows where I can find it. I worked in Couldreys Stationers and Roffey & Clarkes also Dees at South Croydon. I have so many memories I would be writing for a week non stop. Surrey Street, Kennards Arcade, Reeves Corner, Shirley Hills, Ashburton Park Library, seeing Cliff Richard at the ABC and several concerts at Fairfield Halls. I could go on forever! Visited Croydon last Friday to visit my dad in Mayday Hospital and was so saddened by all the changes everywhere.
Comment from June Strachan on Tuesday, 21st February 2012.