Further to Cinemas in Croydon
I grew up in Galpins Road, Thornton Heath and as a youngster joined the ABC Minors at the Rex Cinema, Norbury sadly now demolished and replaced by an office block. I saw many of the MGM Musicals at the Rex, including Singing in the Rain. I also used to go to The State Cinema, Thornton Heath later to become The Granada. Here I saw many an Abbott and Costello film. I joined the forces in 1954, and was stationed abroad in Singapore. Here in my spare time I worked as a projectionist at The Astra RAF Cinema in Tengah. On leaving the forces in 1957, I applied for a projectionists job with Granada, and for about a year worked in the projection room of the Granada, Thornton Heath. I remember the Chief Projectionist's first name was Les. I did not stay here for long, Granada Cinemas sent me to Clapham Junction Century, where I was employed as a second projectionist for a few years and met my wife who worked part time in the cash desk, and shop. Yes I too remember the art deco cinemas of the 1940s, 50s and 60s. There was the ABC Savoy, Croydon, The Majestic Mitcham, and The Davis Theatre in Central Croydon. I retired 20 years ago from the Police Force in London, and I now live in West Cornwall. I am 70 years old but look back at those lovely old cinemas which gave me so much pleasure in my childhood. About a year ago I went through Thornton Heath, and passed what was the Granada Cinema. I found the building still there, but now a Bingo Hall. How sad!
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I read with interest your memories of the cinemas in Croydon and surrounding areas as I too remember all of these, but does anyone remember anything about the old Empire Theatre in North End Croydon? My parents used to take me there as a child and I can remember seeing such acts as Max Wall and the Crazy Gang. There was a cafe next door which I believe was called the Cafe Royal where we would go after the show. I don't know what year the Empire was closed and turned into a cinema, but it became the Eros or the Odeon later and I think the Cafe Royal closed some time in the Fifties.
I cannot seem to find any information about the old Empire, nor can I find any photographs of it. It must have been the late Forties/early Fifties when I was taken there. Would love to know if anyone remembers this lovely old theatre.
Comment from Ann Sealy on Sunday, 29th April 2007.
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This certainly has brought back memories for me. I remember the Empire Theatre where we used to go and see the Christmas Panto. Yes it was a rush up to the 6d Gods. I remember seeing Jimmy Hanley in panto and we went to the stage door afterwards for autographs and I was so disappointed because he was wearing glasses.
I also remember Roy Hudd but it was before he made the big time and he used to appear in Sir Phillip Game Boys Club, Morland Avenue, Croydon, in pantos and one particular character I remember him playing was Fairy Flatfoot, he was hilarious.
Comment from Joyce Campbell on Tuesday, 24th February 2009.
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I have a picture of Roy Hudd as a young man dancing at The Orchid Ballroom, Purley, which was my favourite dance hall up until 1953. Great place, now a gymnasium I believe!
Comment from Philip Harfleet on Sunday, 29th June 2008.
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Late 1950's
Does anyone recall the Civic Hall which I seem to remember was next to Kennards?
We used to do our dancing shows there with The Rodney-Deane Academy. The place was fantastic for us kids to explore!
Our teacher was Miss Joan Rodney-Deane, and she put on some great shows. Our most famous pupil was Roy Hudd, and my sister and I were chosen to perform on stage with him, the number "Little White Bull" (famous at the time from the film starring Tommy Steele).
Roy lived near our Grandparents in Gloucester Road at the time, which in turn was round the corner from Miss Joan's Dancing School in Prince's Road, of of Selhurst Road.
Alison
Comment from Name withheld on Friday, 9th May 2008.
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What a flood of memories the above replies have brought back. If I remember rightly the old Empire Croydon used to stage pantomime as well. I too remember the steep rake of the seats in what we used to call the Balcony. I suppose as a child it would seem possible to fall over the edge, especially if you were lucky enough to get a seat in the front row! I see that Kennards of Croydon was mentioned by one contributor..
I will always remember Kennards Arcade, where all the penny machines were situated, and the donkey rides. Also that lovely smell of the candy floss machine, which lingered. If you departed the arcade to the right you entered Alders the furniture shop, but as I child I found this boring, and would rather turn left into Kennards itself. The first film I saw at the Davis Theatre was with my father, who took me to see Bing Crosby in "The Bells of St. Marys". Another theatre I remember well, although some way from Croydon, was the Streatham Hill Theatre, which was bombed during the war, and rebuilt when the war finished. I saw many pantomimes at this theatre, and once again I had to climb steep stone steps to arrive at the top Balcony. The rake was not so steep as the Empire Croydon, but the stage still seemed a great distance away. The Surrey Street Market was another favourite haunt of mine. Nearby was Hewitts, the mens outfitters where my father bought my school uniform. I often wish one could turn the clock back, perhaps just for a short time to experience these sights again, and think that the children of today will never experience such rich moments.
Comment from John Wimpenny on Saturday, 1st September 2007.
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I have "Croydon Cinemas" (the older large format one) and the newer one from Tempus Publishing. The Café Royal was closed in or around 1950 but there is little information about the place on the web. Another place I loved was the dance studio adjacent to the old Savoy Cinema where I used to go for lessons leading to taking the bronze medal test under the tuition of the lovely Patricia Teare. Patricia is now in her mid-70s and is STILL coaching dance couples in the Croydon area! There's another book by Vivien Lovett called "Kennards of Croydon" which is a lovely read if you ever knew that great department store. She also wrote a book on the Surrey Street Market where her father ran a florist stall at the "top end" (near Milletts). I think the Kennards book is still available from www.Amazon.co.uk ...
Comment from Philip Harfleet on Wednesday, 8th August 2007.
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Thanks for jogging my memory regarding the steep incline in "the gods". Yes, I remember the feeling that you could so easily tip over the edge! I too remember Max Miller and also Max Wall with his funny walk, and the Crazy Gang. So many great acts. But do you also recall a nearby cafe, which I think was called the Cafe Royal? After the show my parents would sometimes take me there. The artistes would often frequent it too. I can't seem to find any information about it.
I have recently come across a marvellous book entitled "Croydon Cinemas" by Allen Eyles, which covers the history of all the cinemas in the Croydon area from the early 1900s and it has an article on the Empire Theatre, its origins and demise, but unfortunately no photograph - only of the Eros and Odeon. It is an extremely good read if you are interested in Croydon's old cinemas and has some wonderful old photographs of cinemas I never knew existed!
Comment from Ann Sealy on Friday, 13th July 2007.
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The EMPIRE THEATRE was a truly great music-hall prior to changing to the Eros cinema. I remember with great nostalgia the climb up the stone staircase to get to a seat in the "gods" - the gallery, to give it its proper name.
I was still at school then so these visits were huge treats. What sticks in my mind is the steep incline of the gallery. I first thought I would fall right down as I navigated my way to one of the tip-up seats; it was quite scary each time I went there.
My other strong memory is the performance of Max Miller one evening. He wore this outrageous floral patterned suit and a trilby type hat. He held the packed audience in the palm of his hand and I swear he looked directly at me every few seconds! His eyes literally sparkled as he glanced upwards to the "gods", which he seemed to do so frequently. I think this was why he was so loved by those who went to his performances. He appeared to involve everybody, from the stalls upwards, by scanning virtually every seat in the house.
Old Mother Riley and "daughter" Kitty was another act I recall with great delight. Old Mother Riley was actually the husband of Kitty! Arthur Lucan (real name Towle) was about 9 years older than Kitty McShane when they married. He was 25 and she was about 16 (lied about her age apparently). She bankrupted him!
The Croydon Empire will live on in my store of memories, along with The Davis Theatre, The Savoy, The Classic (South Croydon), The Palladium and the Odeon. Kennards of Croydon is also dear to my heart, probably the GREATEST department store of all time!
Comment from Philip Harfleet on Thursday, 12th July 2007.
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Don't know if I can be much help, but I vaguely remember the Eros Cinema from the 1950s/early 60s. It was quite close to the Odeon, also in North End. I used to go through North End on my way to school (in those days, the junior part of Selhurst Boys was in Scarbrook Road) and I remember the Eros closing - I do not remember it as a theatre, although there is a reference in a book about the history of RAF Biggin Hill (probably now long out of print) about some of the pilots based there in the First World War visiting the Empire, as it then was, on the night the Armistice was declared, and creating quite a stir.
COLIN MARSH
Comment from COLIN MARSH on Saturday, 19th May 2007.
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I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who attended a one-off charity performance, I believe at the Davis Theatre in Croydon, called ' Night of a 1,000 Stars' at some time in the mid to late 1950s. I recall that apart from advertised performers, many stars of the day came down to Croydon after their respective engagements in London, some even arriving after midnight, and performed their comedy act or sung songs that they had made popular, and some just making an appearance in support of the evening.
Comment from Christopher Parrish on Sunday, 10th April 2011.