Uddingston And Alpine Terrace

Hello Moira

I am Brenda Tyler I live in Shropshire England , Through DNA I have been finding out who my unknown Birth father is , I know who this is now but I am now researching his father my grandfather James Murphy born 1865 in Shanmullagh Armagh Ireland he went to work in Viewpark Colliery Uddingston Lanarkshire he was involved in a pit accident and sustained head injuries on 6th September 1919 he died in 1922 of his injuries , James was a devout Catholic he lived at Alpine Terrace Uddingston I would very much like to find his grave , are you able to give me guidance as to where he would be buried as he was not repatriated to Ireland Thank You Brenda Tyler

Hello Brenda. My Paternal Grandfather also came from Armagh- Crossmaglen to be accurate. He would have worked with both my Grandfathers in Uddingston Pit. He'd almost certainly be buried in Bothwell Cemetery. We went there a few years back and the Staff were able to give us the sites of all my family graves there. It took a while to find them as none of them had a headstone. That was a luxury no one could afford - but we found them all. Catholics were buried in a specific part of the Cemetery- consecrated by the Priest. They now have a web page for Find a Grave-https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=1974438- all the best. Moira

Hello all,
My dad was John Murphy from Alpine. His sisters were Ellen and Sarah Murphy who married Willie Young but who died young and she then married Dan Mclellan. He also had a brother, William. My dad worked at Hockhead (?) colliery but moved to Hucknall, Nottingham when he was in his early 30s and met my mother at Holy Cross Church. Well, actually he met my (Irish) grandma who thought he was Irish and, as he was living in a hostel at the time, she invited him home for tea. He settled here where he worked in Bestwood pit until it closed and Bill moved to Alfreton.
My sister, Mary, and I used to love to listen to all the stories of Alpine. We’d be in stitches laughing at some of the antics. We would come up during the pit holidays for two weeks and couldn’t wait to get there. First stop was Bridgett’s shop where us ‘English’ kids had been taught the classic ‘Haw, gonna geez a loaf, Bridgett?” I can smell the shop now with the ultimate Scotch Rolls and every time I see Palm Toffee ‘tablet’ I think of it. We had fantastic times as kids playing on the swing park, American swing, Bobby’s helmet, big and wee slides and damming up the burn oer the bing. Cowboys and Indians with hatchets made from a stick and a flattened tin can.
Some of my dad’s friends were (sorry about spellings) Joe Donnelly who married Ella. Andy Verbiscus, Tommy Halpin stacks more but can’t remember. Used to love the ‘scramble’ for pennies at any wedding that was going off.
We’d also have a few days up at my Aunty Helen and Harry McGraw’s on Douglas Street where I’ve sat and had banana sandwiches with wee Jinky.
I could go on forever but I know my sister and I had better holidays than all our mates who went to the seaside down here.
My dad’s family lived at No. 8 and he always told us that the Alpine Villa Football team all used to get changed in their room and that Matt Busby was one of them.

Wow- now that's a coincidence. Dan McLellan was my Uncle by marriage to my Dad' sister Susannah Donnelly. Auntie Susan died in 1949. I am sure that Willie Young played the concertina and died around the same time as Susan. Mrs Young went on to marry Uncle Dan McLellan- I knew her as Auntie Cissie. She had 3 sons from her marriage to Willie Young the eldest was John who was killed in a dreadful road accident in the early 60s. The family moved from Alpine to the new housing scheme at Viewpark. I remember visiting them in 1964 when my new Husband and I went up to Scotland on our honeymoon. I'm in touch with my cousin Patrick McLellan- the youngest son of Dan & Susan. He and his family are in Melbourne Australia. I know there was another Donnelly family in Alpine but they were no relation to my family. I recognise the name Verbiscus and also the Halpin family- they had a daughter named "Tan" who was much older than me. I was only 5 when we left Alpine and moved to Corby, Northants where Dad worked in Stewarts & Lloyds Steelworks. Our next door neighbour was related to Matt Busby. I was very proud that my Granddad was Caretaker of the Swing Park. My Dad took on the old habit of scattering pennies at my wedding and remember several "Scrambles" in Corby which was named "Little Scotland" as there were so many Scots who moved south after the War. Another coincidence is that my Husband and I moved to Nottingham in 1970 and are in Eastwood- another Colliery Town. Our eldest son lived in Hucknall for a while and sold his house there just a year or so ago. I last saw Granny Donnelly around 1954 and my Dad's sister Maggie lived in one of the ground floor houses on the main road a few doors from Jeannie's corner shop which sold everything. It's hard now to compare the poverty the people lived in with present day housing. Two rooms with "Hole in the Wall" beds in the Living/Dining/Kitchen and another bedroom. They shared an outside toilet with the people on the same storey [Alpine had 3 storeys with 2 homes on each floor] My Granny did most of her cooking on a Coal fired Range. No running hot water and there were Wash houses in the centre of the three sided building. I loved it there though my Mum hated it! Most of the men worked in Uddingston Pit but Granddad had to retire early with a bad heart. It was a very tough time for them. My best friend lived at no 3 on the top floor. They were the Malley family. She was Isobel and had a brother Frank who died very young. We were up in Viewpark last year and the place where Alpine was- along with the old slag heaps- is now a very smart private housing estate. The Miner's Welfare on the top road is still there. We used to get off the bus from my other Granny's at the Welfare and walk down the pathway from there to get home.

Well Moira, can’t believe you’re in Eastwood and we share so many similar memories. We used to get off the bus and walk ‘door the brae’ just the same.
Just one thing is that it was Dennis Murphy who was killed in his motorbike aged about 17 I think and John Young died with a brain haemorrhage, aged 27. Both tragic! I used to hitch-hike up there two or three times a year, when I was young, for all the Old Firm games and then still used to visit family annually but haven’t been up for about five years now. It seems to be just funerals lately. We used to stay with my Aunty Cissie (dad’s sister) and Uncle Dan and had great times there as I’ve said. Used to love it in the Hole in the Wall beds at night (three at the bottom and two at the top) listening to all the stories. Can remember Patrick very well. Last saw him just before he joined the Air Force a d then, as you say, off to Oz. Spent many a happy hour at parties with Dan, Kathleen and Archie at Hogmanay. Must get back up this year. A box to tick.

Well they say the world's getting smaller and I think we're proving that to be sure. Uncle Dan was very special to me as he was a stand in Dady during the war and looked after Mum & me very well. We moved into no4 next door to Granny & Granddad Donnelly who were at no 3. I don't remember the Young boys very much although I do remember the eldest and Pat McLellan having a real fisty fight outside Granny & Granddad's one time. I don't remember the Murphy boy though am sure one of the family with a baby girl Catherine [I think] lived at no 4. I do remember one of the Alpine boys dying in a motorbike accident. I thought it could have been the Malley boy who lived above Granny's at no 3. My best friend was Isobel and am sure her brother was killed at a young age. I remember Mum telling me that one of the Young boys dying but I thought he was also killed in an accident. Dan & Cissy had a wonderful marriage [I'm sure it was her husband who played the Concertina and I can remember what I later found out was VE day when everyone started pouring out laughing & crying into the square and there was a Concertina being played with people dancing- I was only about 29 months old but have vivid memories of it all- as well as victory in Japan when the same thing happened] I think the last time I saw Uncle Dan was in 1964 when we visited on honeymoon. The last time I saw Pat was on Spindlehow Brae when he told me he was joining the airforce. That's another coincidence. One of their daughters was living in Kenilworth with her husband's job. I'd met Pat online whilst doing Genes Reunited so "found him" after all those years. He & Veronica [Vee] used to come home to see the family regularly but the year he stayed in Kenilworth they came to see us for the day. My health has been very bad for many years and we couldn't have them to stay but it was just lovely to see him again. He was "My Hero" when I was small. We keep in touch now & then. Both Kathleen and Duncan passed away a few years ago and one of her Granddaughters has recently had a baby so Pat is delighted to be a Great Uncle at last. Archie died some years ago but he was older than Kathleen. I remember visiting her in Alpine when she'd got 2 or maybe 3 babies. She was a lovely lady but Duncan didn't do so well. All the Old ones have gone now- and we're the old ones left. I've got some photos so if you'd like to see them let me have your email address and I'll send them to you mine is jonesmoira4@gmail.com Happy Christmas and a Brae New Year. Moira x

Hi Moira,
Not much time today as I’m head chef. Was talking to Shug Herbertson and my cousin Anne yesterday. They were in No. 11. The Dunn’s were up one from Dan. Also thought about Joe Bud (think his name was Budolowski, but not sure) who was a big pal of my dad. They all used to be out on the swing park playing cricket (hard to believe for Scots) in the summer. All the women in the washouses in the middle of Alpine. They used to say no one had secrets when you have wash houses. I still see my surviving cousins up there, Bill and Joe Young, Cissie’s lads. Joe could tell you every family who lived in Alpine. He’s got a brilliant memory for it.
John.jill.murphy@gmail.com

Hi,

I'm really interested in finding out some information about my great great grandparents and just wondering if anyone here can help.

My great great grandfather was James Carroll and he died in 1923 at 6 Alpine Terrace Uddingston. According to his death certificate he had Ataxic paraplegia for 1 year and died from hypostatic pneumonia. He was 58 so born around 1865. I wonder if he had a mining accident?

His wife was Margaret Carroll (nee. Flannigan) and died in June 1922 from a stroke but had hermiplegia for 3 and a half months. She was 65.

They were both ill and paralysed in some way. Yet they both died in their home and not in a hospital. I can't help wonder why they were not in a hospital.

They had a son James who died on 13 March 1923 aged 37 years old! Of a disease called Splenic Anaemia which he apparently had for 1 month 14 days. He died in the Royal Infirmary Glasgow and was married to Mary Connelly.

Does anybody here remember hearing about the Carroll family? Any information would be great. For example, what part of Ireland did they come from?

Hi
I think we possibly may be very distantly related. My dear mum, is Fiona Maclellan. Her parents were Archie and Cathy Maclellan. I've been searching online for photos and stories of Alpine and came across this thread.

Hi Louise. Catherine MacLellan was my 1st cousin. Her Mother was my Dad - Owen Donnelly's -elder sister. I've got at least one photo of Kathleen from when I lived at no4 Alpine Terrace next door to our Grandparents Patrick & Catherine Donnelly. I'm also in touch with her younger brother Patrick who lives in Melbourne, Australia. I remember visiting Kathleen when she & Archie lived in Alpine. They had 2 or 3 babies by then. One of them was Susan but I can't remember the names of the others. I'd have been about 10 by then. I hope you get this & can contact me. Regards Moira nee Donnelly x

Incidently- up above are posts from John.Jill Murphy also has connections with the McLellan family and I know he knew Katherine and Archie. Definitely Uncle Dan who was Katherine's Dad who was 1st married to my Dad's sister Susan. If you're on FB look me up. Moira Jones with a photo of my Husband and me on our 50th Wedding anniversary. I'd love to be in contact with you and share all the family photo I have from Alpine including on of the whole Donnelly family in a group taken when my Dad was about 9 years old. xx

Hello,
I came across this content while looking for images of Alpine Terrace Uddingston.
My nan Minnie Rooney is down on her marriage cert as living there in 1920 . She had come from Mayo Bridge CoDown I assume to work. She met my Grandad Tom McLoughlin and was married In St Alphonsus church in 1920. Woul anybody on here have any recollection or knowledge of her or even if there were any other Rooneys or McAllindons in Alpine Terrace at that time.
Thank you
Karen McAllister