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Displaying Memories 1761 - 1840 of 36864 in total

My Grandmother told us all in the family that when she was young, in about 1920, she had passed through Godalming and had stayed there overnight at the White Heart Inn opposite the 'Pepperpot', where that night in her room she had clearly seen a vision at the foot of her bed of a woman in very old fashioned clothing (Georgian?) who then smiled at her and turned away and went through the closed door. ...see more
I am trying to piece together a scrap book of people that lived in Birch Coppice. Help. Paul Langford @ 21
I was 6 months old when we (my mother, father, two brothers and three sisters) moved into one of two farm cottages in Laney Green. I lived there until 1964, when the cottages were torn down (unnecessarily so) to enable the construction of J11 of the M6. I remember being told how one night a newly constructed bridge over the motorway collapsed. I have not been able to trace any photographs of the ...see more
Hi I am researching an old Norton Dominator 99 motorbike which was purchased by a Vilnis Adamsons of 61 Knighton Way Lane, New Denham, Uxbridge from a dealer called Miles of Uxbridge. The bike was purchased on 13th May 1958. I would very much appreciate any information about the Adamsons family or Miles of Uxbridge - or what became of them. My objective is to build some history of the motorcycle which I ...see more
Hello, Happy New year. I have recently found out my Late Father went to Smallwood school. He was born in 1942. Is there anyone out there who has any photos of the school or pupils. I guess I am looking for around 1947 and onwards. Many thanks
Hello, I remember going to Sunday school in this church as well as Girl Brigade, this will have been in the 1970’s. We always looked so smart in the uniform. Trying to track down any photos from this time or anyone who may have been there at the same time. If you have any memories of The church, Girls Brigade or Rathern school it would great to hear from you. seems like so long again and yet only yesterday. Happy New Year Regards,
Hi I am looking for my grandma Gillian Lilley if anyone knows anything about her or her family please let me know
We lived on Normanshire Dr early 60s. Went to school on the New Rd then to Wellington Ave; at that time Wellington Ave boys and girls were separated. Loved the fish and chip shop and Rossi's ice cream. Went to the Odeon on Saturday mornings with my sister then we would rush home and listen to the radio messages of the military dedication songs and messages to loved ones. As with others spent a lot of ...see more
I lived with my family at Balla Wray between 1979 and 1981 we moved from the Red lion inn in Hawkshead cumbria and at that time Balla Wray was a Country house hotel where people would stay for a week each time. The cost was £60.00 for Dinner, Bed and Breakfast! for the week. My father Tony Poole converted the cellar into a bedroom for my sister and I as there was no bedrooms available during the summer ...see more
i was sent to boyles court in 1961 for smashing a shop window and stealing a train set,i remember being held down by several older kids]i was 11 at the time],i was beaten up ,i remember the dorms and all of us had to march down the road on sunday to go to church,what an evil place this was and was glad to hear of its closure,it didnt do me any good whatsoever and i later ended up in north sea camp for 3months ...see more
In 1965 we bought a pony called Brownie from a family in Sicklesmere/Whelnetham. The house was up a drive off the main A134 road with paddocks either side of the drive and a barn on the right near the house. I think the owners also had a donkey. I would dearly love to speak with the girl (now middle aged woman!) who owned Brownie. Can you help? Tina
My gran use to live at 52, Plantation St. until the early 60s then she moved to a bungalow not to far away.Happy memories of have holidays there. Also had an aunt and uncle who lived., high st Rhymney, and worked in the bakery. Sylvia and Jim White.
I would have been at The Grange from c59-65 (Lexie Irving), big sister Sally from c53-64 and my younger brother, Richard c63-65 when we moved to Cheshire. The overall memory is definitely positive. Ok so the big double doors to the kindergarten terrified me (I was certain I was going to be trapped between them in the dark), lunchtimes were a trial as I was an extremely fussy eater, the green baize studded door to Mr ...see more
I remember Paul. He was a good friend. He used to come to our house at 16 Fairview road every Thursday to watch The Fugitive. I remember Brodericks shop very well. I hope you read this Mr H and get in touch.
Mom used to take me to the corner cafe. Now a chippy.. Halesowen town.. We had them to do our reception (marriage), about 19 yrs after my visits, as a toddler... Now it's about 74yrs,after,as a toddler.... I think the chap who catered, was named johnnie Ray!!!!.. There was the chocolate box cafe, opposite.. Many happy memories.... TONY..
Just thought many might remember waking up on Boxing Day 1963 and seeing snow on the ground which looked lovely. However, most of us will remember that said snow was around until about March 1964 and we had a live Christmas Tree in its tub in the dining room until April 1964 when it finally became warm enough for my mother to replant it in the garden where it probably still is today. Happy New Year -- Tony Joseph
Does anyone remember someone called"Smiler" mid 70s
Born in Essex rd dagenham mum dad me lived with nan & grandad dad George Allen worked at Samuel Williams down the dock very end of chequers lane think they amalgamated with samuel William's Used to love going down there with me dad on Saturday mornings and watch the boats docking used to be quite a bit of traffic on the river there in them days, then moved to Heath Park Estate good old days
We stayed in a Guest House in Bourne Street. Mr and Mrs Collignon ran it. Full board. She was an ex nurse and taught me how to make beds. Little did she know I would be a nurse. They were very friendly. Thought it was quite posh to have sinks in our rooms, but then had to share a bathroom. It was the time of the Pirate Radios.
We were on holiday. I remember 5 of us in a chalet. I was the eldest child about 9 years old. There was an entertainment area where we attended the Woody Woodpecker Show. Can vaguely remember a small beach. We had to get water once from a standpipe as something went wrong in the chalet?
We moved to Berkhamsted around 1968 when I was 5 years old. I went to Westfield school. After that I went to Thomas Bourne School, in the first year we had to do a couple of days a week at North Church school due to too many pupils. After that Ashlyns, which I hated but survived. My Dad, Bill was a monumental mason and we lived above the funeral directors, Malcolm Jones at 368 high street. My Mum ...see more
Hi all that served at Barwick School, ive been on this site since 2015 and keep coming back every now and again and its really good to see some old names that i remember from those days . Please make sure you hunt around as i have just found some more pages with comments from boys that were there but nobody is replying to or posting on ,Have a good hunt around to find more information on that shit hole of a place. Im ...see more
I was born at Greenhedges on 22nd December 1940. My mother was evacuated - I was due on Christmas day, but the Dr. didn’t want to come out, so I was induced! A towel was tied under Mum’s bust, and a nurse laid across her!!!! How times have changed - thank goodness.
I was born in a Heck Lane Gatehouse November 1951 my Brother was born in the same house in 1949. There were two working sand quarries on either side behind our house. My Mam opened the gates mainly for the Cawoods sand lorries My Dad worked in the signal box further down the line. My Bro, Keith, and I ,Carol would walk to school down the side of the railway lines. We went to Hensall school which was near the Church. ...see more
Born in 1953 in Pen-y-Bank (now gone) From 1953 to 1960 I lived at 31 Rhoddfa Ganol (Still remember it) Many memories: 1. My Dad was always late for the train to Ogilvy Colliery - so the conductor would get his ticket, and he'd run up the hill and get on the train just above the estate!! 2. At 5, I remember walking to visit my Gran in Pen-y-Bank (about a mile) all by myself. 3. Still think ...see more
I was born 1 Dudley Road in 1939, I went to St Marys infant and junior school then to Penzer st school. I was in the choir at St Marys Church around 1950. Ketley lane was just a lane .There was no Standhills road then just banks and fields. There was the brick works farther up Dudley road belonging to Davenports. I spent many happy hours with the drivers of the lorries from there. Played tennis up against the old barn ...see more
I lived in Pelton Fell from about 1950 - born in 49 - for about 5/6 years before moving to Bishop Auckland. Number 3 Valley road, went to Rosebury School catching the bus in Gardiner Cres, helped out at the old Mission Hall chopping and selling sticks off the old horse and cart. remember a dog being knocked over on the road outside. Don't remember names, had a great friend there also... Derick, lived in ...see more
I was born in 1946 and raised in west Acton. Went to John Perrin school and yes the head master was a piece of work, I think he was called Mr. Hatfield. When I was 8 my parents finally agreed to allow me to have my ears pierced after me begging to have it done for a very long time, on the condition that if it hurt having the first one done I would still have the second one done, this was my 8th birthday present. Going back ...see more
My name is Alan Harper I attended the schools listed above whilst living at Sandringham Road Thornton Heath. I also was a member of 17th Croydon Cub and Scouts. At fourteen I joined the Princess Road Boys Club Croydon. Should you have attended these schools etc and wish to exchange a few memories please contact me. Many thanks. Alan Harper
My grand father and father owned the fish and chip shop
My parents were from Northumberland; my father from Newcastle and my mother from Slayley. They moved to London during the 30s to seek work. They married in 1939 and my sister was born that November. By September my mother was pregnant again, but as my father was working in a reserved industry, he sent my mother and sister north to escape the Blitz. They went to stay with mother's brother William Lambert, who ...see more
I lived in Wood End Lane (no. 9), from 1941 from the age of six months, until 1948 when I moved to the new council houses at Newnham Close, locally known as Tintown, because it had steel framed walls on the upper storey. No. 9 was a ground- floor flat with two bedrooms and my sister Joyce and I shared the back bedroom. After the war we used to play in the Wireless Field, as it was called by the locals. We went ...see more
I forgot an important memory... I was on the swim team and who could forget that the cold water in the pool was capable of giving you a heart attack.
It seems the older you get the more important and fun it is to delve into memories. My maiden name was Duer. Here is a list of memories that include the new school as well. Loved art class and really loved the new art room where we had a great view of cows Decorating our classroom for Christmas Trying to stay inside when it was cold at lunch...always got caught Sitting on bunkers Finding ...see more
I was born there in 1947 when my mum was visiting her family. My folks met at the Sun Inn in 1944 when my dad was stationed nearby. They were married in the abbey in 1946 and her maiden name was Wackett, by name and nature as I and my brother found out if we failed to toe the line. We lived in Sussex and visited three or four times a year, at the bottom of the garden was a field which I understand is now occupied ...see more
In 1978 I had my first Saturday job at Gunners in Tonbridge (on the corner of Lyons Crescent and the High Street - now Parkers Kitchens and Bathrooms, with the original building gone). Gunners was a very old-fashioned drapers store and I was to assist a Mrs Reddy (lovely lady) on the haberdashery stand - which was a glass counter, full of wooden pull-out drawers of buttons, zips and threads; I have vague ...see more
Hello, I'm on a mission here, if anyone can help me. Does anyone remember the Stella Marina that sailed out of Fleetwood in 1969? This was a cruise ship, leased from Norway by a local company, Norwest Hovercraft and sailed to the Isle of Man three times a week and then on the weekend did starlight cruises around Morecambe Bay. If anyone has any photos of the crew and the hostesses at that time, please ...see more
I remember the bakers! The baker used to stand behind the counter with his white apron! The bread was wrapped in a tissue and I used to pick it in the way home; my mum used to say ...ooh mice have been at this!!!
My Great Aunt and uncle John and Mary Little built a beautiful cottage in The Haugh 'Almora' you used to have to walk past Military road and down the hill to The Post office [sweetie shop lol] My grandfather would take us as kids 1960 for 2 weeks to stay with his sister and husband.We would go fishing very evening below the waterfall hidden way back down from the wee bridge. Spottes'.I have traveled ...see more
Lived at 26 WestSide from late 40s until the underpass was built, then to Morville House in later 1960s. Loved being able to cross Trinity Road to the common where I spent many hours with different friends, often playing football and cricket. The Frying Pan was wonderful as was the 4 walled building by it which often had water and rubble which was a real invitation for 'bombing' the puddles. I attended ...see more
My Nan and Grandfather lived in Southend on sea at the car park opposite the Kersal. All the coaches used to go there to park, there was always a crowd of people. I can remember Gran serving teas and people wanting to go to the toilet and costing 1 penny which I can remember collecting when we were there. Grandfather would look after the coaches while people went to the ...see more
I was born in Moorland Crescent in the 1950’s. This council housing estate was built a few decades earlier and has a variety of different style good quality houses. Most people had nice gardens with flowers etc and we had vegetables and fruit bushes in the back garden. On summer nights it was not uncommon for the streets to be full of kids playing as most people had big families. Also there ...see more
I lived in Manor Road in the late fifties and then Lymington Close until the end of the sixties, it was a great place to live then. We played on Mitcham common going to the seven island ponds on our bicycles and the old gun site. Mr Brown who owned "Browns garage" in Manor road used to sell spares for bicycles and was a nice old man who always wore a boiler suit and a beret. At the end of Manor road and north borough ...see more
I worked at KLM and left there 1970 as I immigrated to Canada.l remember dick Lyles he was manager, Fred hurry was shop foreman. I also remember Larry Wooley,Mick Wragg.peter beeson.sgeve pengelly was my apprentice,Mick Wragg and myself also share 24hr AA RAC breakdown and accident calls.we lived in houses on Brighton Rd adjacent to the garage. I really enjoyed working there, a good bunch of guys
I am learning more about my family history, and have discovered my Grandad trained to be a nurse at the General Infirmary, Foregate Street, Stafford. He became a registered nurse in 1950, before moving down to work in London. Does anyone have memories of training there? I would love to learn what it was like. He worked as a volunteer helping with the ambulances during WW2 beforehand. I would be very interested if anyone has memories of this as well.
Someone thought the Umber Mine in Ashburton was at West Street but I know that it was at the End of East Street next to the Cottage Hospital which I think may have been called Eastern Road at that point. I used to live at East End Terrace and I remember having to pass the entrance of the mine and getting the orange/brown umber on the bottom of my shoes.
My father Oliver Berthoud was Headmaster of this school from 1956 until his death in 1972. The name of the school in that era was never Whitgift School, it was called "Whitgift Middle School" and then "Trinity School of John Whitgift", a name that sounded less like the "poor relation" of the "real" Whitgift School in South Croydon. The trees on this photo are mulberry ...see more
These are my memories of Ipswich in Early 1960 I had been working in Ilford on C & A Modes new shop. when the job there was finished i was sent to Frederick Corders shop in Tavern Street, Ipswich, to help out with the shopfitting renovations which for me was 2 weeks work. I was 20 and an apprentice Shopfitter. I cannot remember where i lodged, it was in a rank of terraced houses, we bedded down in one house ...see more
I was an apprentice Shopfitter that worked on C & A Modes in early 1960, it was a freezing time with frosts and cold winds whistling through the arcade of showcases at the front of the shop. The Shopfitting Co was namely the famous, Parnall and sons ltd of Lodge Causeway, Fishponds, Bristol. This company stopped trading after a factory fire in about 1991. While working in Ilford i spent a ...see more
Hi. I was at Orchard Portman in 1957 or 1958. Yes I can remember the Walkers. I must have been 7 or 8 years old and probably one of the tallest boys there - now being 196cm tall. I had red hair, freckles and glasses and was very shy. Memories: Saturday early evenings. The Walkers invited the young boarders into their living room where they had a 'Television' and we were allowed to watch 'Children's Hour'. ...see more
I was born in Dean Street Failsworth 1944-1967. I went to Mather street school and then to Failsworth boys Partington street.Probably started school in 1949. I remember Miss Williamson, infants, and Mrs Kershaw in the Juniors. I remember George Warren, Christine Ward, Barbara Wood, Cliffette Fox and Mike Telford, Hazel Taylor and Peter Turner. I see one or two of them still. We had great fun down on the moggy. I ...see more
We moved from Dagenham to a newly built council house in Lee Walk in 1961 and I really enjoyed my time at the Lee Chapel South Junior school. I can still remember some of the wonderful school assemblies that took place, the tuck shop, gymnastics in the school hall and the school trips to Swanage and Barnstable. During the holidays, my mum and I would often walk to One Tree Hill along Staneway when it ...see more
Hi I am trying to trace my birth Father Alan Cooper in 1962 he lived at 33 Querinn Street Fulham, my mother lived at 76 Townmead Road, her name was Pauline Taylor (a redhead from Liverpool) maybe you went to school with him? He married a famous actress in 1963, I would love to hear anything at all about my birth family, if you can help me please do contact me summersolstice21@hotmail.co.uk kind regards Anthony
I would love to know more about my grandfather Leslie Weedon who ran a sweet shop at 10A Acre Lane (next door to the post office) until his death in 1956. My father and mother had the shop for a while after that, probably until the early 60s. If anyone has any memories - or even better, photographs - I would be so grateful.
I lived in Coronation Street in the early 50's to the late 60's, when I joined the army. A great place to be in those days. I remember running out to the rag and bone man and handing over some old clothes and getting a gold fish for them and dad sending me out to get the horse droppings, and biddles when you could go to the pictures on a Saturday for 6d long walks with my dad all the way to ennerdale water ...see more
Living in Hellidon I was sent to Preston Capes when I came 5 years old in 1951/2. Mrs Smith was the teacher. I remember the smell of coffee coming from her. We went by bus from Hellidon on a Judd's bus through Charwelton. The school had one room with two classes and there was a pot bellied stove in the middle of the back wall. I remember Mrs Smiths son had a model train set in the back garden. I also remember ...see more
In a previous memory of mine I mentioned that the village of Upper Boddington was without mains water in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s . I lived in the School House with my parents, Pat and George Bishop. My mother became Headmistress in November 1949 and the lack of water on tap was just one of several problems that we had to adjust to. I was 14 years old at the time, fit and strong and the ...see more
My mum grew up in Starfield Street, living, I think, above a laundry/wash house. Her surname was Cox and she had brothers, Tommy, Jimmy and Billy. I think the family lived there for 30 plus years until the middle 1960’s
Yes Hassobury school was a nice school I was there in 1969 I in joyed it there the teachers was nice it gone now all house and flats there now the teachers was miss Bog miss eveans miss donlop she was South Africa miss Hendry miss Newman it would be nice to know what happened to them I all ways think back to them days it A shame the school closed down any one went there be nice to hear from them Judy
Founders house from 1967 to 1969 my name Dennis Taylor painting decorating mr Wright was teacher Mr Arnold mr bell mr lane house masters
I absolutely loved my child hood days I spent with Mr Cootes Ann and her mum My mum and dad used to leave me there for the whole of the summer hols I would help with the ponies and live in the farm house I have some wonderful memories of all the ponies I used to look after paddy I have loads of pic
We used to live at the bottom end of Manor Ave. I went to Cecil Ave Boys from 1962-1966. We had nicknames for all the teachers who were very stern in those days. Remember the headmaster Mr. Jackson who we called the Beak because of his nose. Got the cane many times in his office, but no harm done. After school hours, I delivered with one of those bikes with the metal basket on the front delivering ...see more
I remember going to visit my grandfather, Henry Ewart Shackleton when he lived at Heysham Hall (as we called it) in a downstairs flat. This would have been in the early 1960's. My understanding is that he purchased Heysham Hall, possibly in about 1926 and was instrumental in setting up the Holiday camp. He was a civil engineer and was involved with later developing the land as a housing ...see more
I think in this difficult year of 2020 our thoughts go back to happier times. I was searching for Pednolva House, St Ives when I came across this link. My family and I spent all the summers from 1980 to 1986 with Miss Johnson at Pednolva House. She had converted the family house into two upstairs flats whilst at that time living downstairs. Although the flats were very basic they were perfect for a ...see more
I was born in 1948 over a corner shop in Churchill Street. We moved away before I was 2 years old, due to my bad health. My parents were William Brierley (who worked at Frodshams, Grosvener Road) and Mary Conlon. My only recorded memory is a photo where I'm pushing a pram (which I filled with coal) ... and am in the company of our dog Rover. It is strange not to know any more about the place, as the whole area has disappeared.
Living in Southend meant that Felixstowe was a bit of a busman's holiday for us but Nan had a caravan there - close to the amusement centre on the old unmade road to the fort. I clearly remember the hiss of the Calor gas lamps in the caravan at night and the dulcet tones of the bingo caller: "Green line, four and two, forty-two." Memories that will never leave me! The paddling pool by ...see more
The left hand shop of the pair on the right of this photo was still called London House when I was a young lad in the late 1960's, going to Hosey school. I recall it had large glass jars with sweets in them but also sold things like "toothbrush sticks" which were twigs of what I later thought were Yarrow twigs but it seems were more likely "Miswak" (Salvadora Persica) twigs commonly used in the Arabic world ...see more
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This scene of Queens Road brings back many many memories for me. First of all, when very young and at the early months of WW2, probably in the late Autumn with falling light in the after school hours. Somehow I had come across or discovered the quite elegant shops there all on one side that one would frequent when being taken to the Odeon cinema seen further up, and if one lived in Oatlands Park by way of Oatlands ...see more
Went to Redhouse school,
My maternal grandma worked at '10 Spring Gardens' where concoctions of all sorts were created There was a large staff and the establishment was run by 2 maiden ladies. In Later years my mother did the same throughout my childhood and beyond, being in great demand for wedding cakes and celebration cakes e.g. special birthdays From September on each year till mid January our small kitchen was a hive ...see more
Hi everybody, only just found this site and so interesting to read the comments. I was at Tiffield in the old Victorian "fridge" they called the main building from early 1957 to approx middle 1959. Mr Turner was head (nice chap) but he retired and along came Mr Barsby. I had a brute of a stepfather who did not want me around so my time there was not so bad. Teachers names I remember Rev John Hewitt, Mr A Brick, Mr ...see more
I knew Richard lambourne I was there the night Anne and her partner and dog died in the Fire!! 🥺 I was meant to have a sleep over!! Anne was the kindest person I knew 🥺 I also Knew Alison the eldest one, Debbie Gomme, Jeffery , Tracy and Denise west, Claire , another girl who use to do stands on her chin 🤔 We use to play Escape from Colditz 🤦‍♀️ I rennet mr withers in the house next door i remember his daughter Helen.
I attended the Academy from Primary 1 until senior 6th year starting in the wing of the school for primary pupils in Melrose Road and then latterly in the Scott Park. I have the old school magazines from that time but unfortunately two have been lost over the years. My younger brother was in the last primary class in the school in Melrose Road before the Primary moved to the Langlee school. I can recall three of the ...see more
Back in 1968 when the Kings Arms was going strong it was my favourite pub to go to? The Landlord was a guy called Jim and his wife Carol, a youngish couple, I don’t remember their surname. They were often assisted by Carols mum and dad, her mums name was Frances but I’m afraid I’ve forgotten her dads. It was a lively pub and I would say their local customer base were mainly Scottish and a great ...see more
After attending Kingsley High School in Worcester Park, left there at 14 and attended Pitman's College in Wimbledon, where I learned shorthand and typing. Got me my first job in London at the tender age of 16. Don't remember much of Wimbledon, but do remember a very strict male teacher at Pitman's who would rap your knuckles if you did something wrong.
In 1967 I worked in the Raleigh Hotel south embankment I loved working - there the people who owned it were like family to me. Mr Baguley, his wife, daughter Jane and son in laws Peter and Henry. Pete was my boss and I worked in the bar. I made a few friends there and loved my job. I attended two Naval college balls and went out with a lovely lad called Howard will always remember Dartmouth - it holds a special place in my heart.
I lived on N block from 1947 and moved to Benton in 1960. I went to West Walker school then Middle Street Techical High. My name then was Lily Aaron I am now Lilian Sanderson. I knew a Violet Pickering but I don't know if it was the same one as mentioned elsewhere under Rochester Dwellings. She had a sister Evelyn and a brother Dennis.
Colonel Latham lived there, renting from a Major Terry. Sows and sucklings, large whites everywhere. Loads of photographs. They could see the southern sky lit up by the Blitz, 80 miles away. Only the Lord Nelson pub for company. Astonishing sunsets, a bleak house but lovely. German POWs laboured on the farm during the war. Bedroom floors interesting, and an amazing fireplace. Windy plateau, used to get cut off by snowdrifts in 40s-50s, and '63, not any more.