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Does anyone remember Duke Street School, that's where I spent my early years? We had a formidable headmaster in those days. I lived in Denton up till we moved away when I was around 9. We lived in a newly built property and had neighbours the Tillys - they had 3 children, one sadly died young. Also can anyone remember a Eilean and Len Smith, they lived in the same street as I did. If anyone knows them I would just like to say hi.
Our annual summer camp for many of my East Kilbride Scouts in 1977 was a choice between an expensive long distance coach trip to Switzerland or a cheaper and fun District Camp at Glentrool, just an hour and a half ride away on a service bus! Along with Douglas Johnston - a fellow Scout Leader - I took a patrol from the 3rd EK to join the District Camp and we were blessed with ...see more
My memory goes back to 1966, it was to be the last time I took my children to Southend for the day, because we migrated to Australia in 1967 (45 years ago). Then this year we went back for a holiday with my daughter and two granddaughters and lots of memories came flooding back. I could see myself with my parents and sisters going to Southend on a Sunday picking mussels off the beach, going to the Kursal, ...see more
Hi,my name is Margaret Mcdonagh (nee ward) a proud Collyhurst girl. I was born in 72 Thornton St North. My parents were Elizabeth and John Ward, my brothers John, Billy, Harry, Mike and my little brother Phil. My sisters names Jean, Ann and last but not least, Lynn. I have so many wonderful memories of Collyhurst. My friends, Lynn Beaumont, Susan Beard, Eileen Coates and many more. I also went to Abbot St ...see more
My dad owned what I think was The Hayward in the early 60's. Does anyone remember if the cafe had a dining room and a bar on the second/third floor? I think is now the Blue India.
I have fond memories of the High Street. Platts sweet shop, with the 1 penny, 2 penny and 3 penny trays of sweets. The motor bike shop, Rivetts, the florist Poachins, the jewellers Stillwells, the bakers on the corner at the Thatched House, The Halfway House pub (where I met my husband) and the small Sainsbury's. I went to Cann Hall School from1963-1969. The local church Cann Hall Baptist where I attended Sunday ...see more
I used to be friends with Lily Austin; she lived on a farm which you had to walk down a long driveway to. I was friends with her from school. Also I remember my great aunt called Mona, her mother in law lived in 1 Merllyn. My aunt married late in life and lived in one of the cottages that was by the drive of the farm where Lily used to live. My 2 brothers, my parents and grandparents are all interred in Tremeirchion cemetary.
I was in Mobberly Boys school in 1977 it was a nasty place for a young kid and vey scary. The only thing I did was run away. There was good pionts though, as a young kid from Ordsall, Salford I got to see the countryside wot I'd never see till then. I think I remember a member of staff was an Irishman called Mr Hicky. He was the ony one I got on with, but still they are good memories - doing a bunk round the back of the Frozen Mop pub and over the fields, lol.
I went to the Tin School (must have been the very early 70's). We lived on the 'Wimpey' estate and after the Tin School, I went to Moston Brook Secondary. I now live in Canada and did a google search to try to see the school, but was sad to find out it has been demolished. Is there anyone out there that has any photos of the school? I remember it had a cicular balcony around a lawn, and one time we went exploring in ...see more
I remember moving to Rhuallt. I was 3 or 4 yrs old and on my first day at school, Miss Jones the infants teacher took me to see a swallows nest so my mother could go home. Roller skating down the old road straight on the A55 which was very busy them days. Playing on the Bryn and going for walks. My Nain and Taid lived in number 6 Dyffryn Teg and we lived at no 9, me and my 5 brothers . Sadly the 2 ...see more
My great great grandparents lived in that wee hoose. His name was John Morrison and he and his wife had three sons who fell in the same week in September 1915, Joseph, Hugh and Robert. Another son was wounded in the same week. I have no idea why or when the family moved and this is the first photograph I have seen of the cottage. I walk past it every day and always wonder to myself of the who, where, when and ...see more
Yes I fondly remember Rose Collins working at the Queens Hall Cinema - sometimes she would let us under age kids in for an "A" film as long as we sat next to an adult who didn't mind having kids next to them. I lived in Bedford Road, the next one to Harnage and I guess the thing I remember about Harnage Road is that Jackie Chapman lived there. Jackie had no arms and did most things with his feet. He ...see more
My memory does not relate to one specific year but to many. My grandparents lived in Hall Street, they ran a haulage company, S E Foster, and wedding car firm, the only one in the village at that time. Their names were Edwin and Nell and they gave me childhood memories which I will cherish forever. They always made Christmas magical and nothing was skimped on for birthdays and other special occasions. Their ...see more
My nan and grandad lived in Gilfach Goch at 14 Thomas Street, they had 5 sons and 3 daughters, they moved away after nan died sometime after 1934. Nan's name was Harriet E Bevan, grandad, William Wakefield. Grandad did not want his sons to go down the mines in Gilfacg Gorch, this was a main reason grandad left the area. I have several times visited Gilfach and specially to Thomas Street and where Nan is buried in ...see more
My great-grandad was William Henry (born 29th June 1846 in Finsbury, London). As a very young man he worked as a wood carver and stayed with his uncle Samuel Howard at 2 Kay St., Chorlton on Medlock. Its a mystery to me why some of our Howard family put down roots in both Manchester and Liverpool back in the mid 1800's and I guess I must have some Lancashire relatives somewhere!
I didn't move to Hadleigh until 1963, but Gallaghers butchers was still there on the corner opposite the church. It is now a kitchen and bathroom units shop.
I lived at 77 Gordon Road, in the first house to be built there, from 1935 to 1948. I remember the Balcons, Plesners, Feldmans, the famous Marty Feldman and many more. The war brought everyone together. I remember the solo and bridge nights, alternating in homes. It is a place I will never forget as I spent a marvellous childhood there. At 82 yrs I now live in Sydney, Australia. Actve in business and the ...see more
I have memories of going around in a 'gang'; we called ourselves the Wizbangs and used to frequent the carousel coffee bar on East Hill.
I was 4 years old in 1961 when I first went to Mayals County Primary School as it was known then. My sister, Stephanie, who is slightly older than me was transferred there the year before from Grange to the new school. We were very happy there with so many great teachers such as Harry Trew and Brian Taylor, and who could forget the immortal Mr Minty, the Head, who always reminded my mother that 'as long ...see more
A great place to meet the local talent - a great local band played there at times (and also at the Majestic in Motherwell) called The Midlanders Combo they were great; at least two of the band stayed in prefabs, the singer and the bass player. Great times then, young and carefree!!!
I was born in 9 Graig Terrace, Abercwmboi at my grandparent's house; Charles William and Elizabeth Mary Davies. My mother was Christabel Viola Davies, (married name Mills). We moved to Penwaun when I was 6 months old, and from 1952 moved to Chute village in Wiltshire. I spent Christmas and many a summer holiday with my relatives in Abercwm Boi and my Aunt Audrey in Grove Terrace. A ...see more
I lived in Chute from 1952 until 1970. Chute School from 1955 until 1962. I went to Chute of E School at the age of 4. I remember it well. A good school with strict teachers. Miss Haggar was Headmistress and Mrs Cane taught the infants. I left at 11 to go to a girls school. Our other Headmaster, who took over at Chute, was Mr Mason - he had 3 sons, Malcolm, Alan. and Andrew. I wonder what happened ...see more
My brothers and I were brought up in Warminster from 1961 to 1971. We would spend such great times in the park. We would get half a crown pocket money on a Saturday and it was off to the Regal Cinema for the Saturday Matinee to watch a Western or Laurel and Hardy, plus some cartoons. Afterwards we would head off to the park across the road. My brother, our friends and I used to hire out the wooden rowing ...see more
I lived with my mum, dad, and two brothers at Manor Gardens in Warminster from 1961 to 1971. I have such happy and wonderful memories of my childhood, living and playing in the area. This photo of the paddling pool at the park really turned the 'clock back'. My younger brother David and I, along with our friends, would play for hours in the park. We would go swimming in the big pool, and I remember the ...see more
My memory is of living in the farm house at Dunkeswell Abbey with Mrs Trenchard when I was evacuated from London during the second world war. I used to walk to the school in Hemyock picking strawberries (wild) or blackberries whatever the season was. There was a big American base at Dunkeswell and the airmen would give us children sweets and fruit, like oranges and bananas. Had ...see more
My father was a coal hewer in the mine. His step brother was Con Collins, he lived up the mountain. I used to stay at his house all summer and play with all the local kids, his son was called Steven and brother, Jimmy. There was a big family all around Penrhiwceiber, aunties and uncles and cousins; sadly I was too young to know who was who. I would dearly love to know if anybody knows anything about ...see more
My dad, Adam Pagan, was a great dad who loved his town and told me loads of Maryport history about links with the mutiny on the bounty. I loved going on the shore and the fair coming. When I was young I lived in Kirkby St, then we moved to Edinbourgh Rd, Ewanrigg. I remember going on on the shore in the summer, I remember Harold Brown's chip shop with scraps. My school was Camp Rd Junior then Solway ...see more
Does anyone still remember the Greenacres Approved School for girls which was on Curzon Street. I believe it is now called Springfields. I was there in the 1960s and loved Calne as it was then. Although not from the area, I have never forgotten the place.
I was born and mainly brought up at The Warren Grace Dieu (Army father!) We all went to St Clare's .Thats me (Susan Warren), my sister Elizabeth, my brother Michael, my two cousins Monica and Nicholas Westgate and my Aunt Julie Westgate. I think Pat and Mary Westgate (Mother's adopted sisters) may have gone as well. My mother was Jo Westgate. I remember Mother Palinus as the head and Mother Ann who looked ...see more
My name is Julie Stephenson, I worked as a care worker in 1977, and Hilary and John ran the home. I worked with Barry and eight children still lived there, Ricky, Sharon, Annie Mcnally, Brian, Carolyne, Jackie, John and Paul. I worked until the closure as the borough sold off the property. Although everyone was due to stay just another year, unfortunately people ...see more
If you took the right turn at Bell Cottage and then right again on the main road then a left up a cinder track you came to the Bridgewater canal that was in the higher part of the village. It was the acknowledged meeting place for the youth of the village. Pete Guthrie used to come up on his scooter, my brother Hugh also had a Lambretta and the dirt track there was ideal for showing off. We also used to gather ...see more
I wonder - this looks like the playground in Robingoodfellows Lane where I used to play - can anyone confirm this?
Year is approx. My uncle John and Auntie Marjorie lived at New Cross Farm with their three daughters Sally, Mary and Kathleen. Every summer holiday I would go to the farm for a few weeks and help or hinder my uncle. I used to be so excited as I loved the farm and was up at the crack of dawn getting the cows in with my Uncle. There were two dairy staff, Michael Parks and Roger ? and sometimes Michael Hawkins. ...see more
QPR practicing in Birkbeck playing fields, 1st Greenford scout hut behind Greenford station, Costains, Stanhope then Brentside, many a happy weekend working at Bennetts model shop opposite Greenford hall, the 92 or 120 bus home from school. As we got older, the railway pub behind Greenford station, The Litten tree in Oldfield lane, especially after a hard nights Judo, behind Holy ...see more
My wife, Muriel Campbell, used to live at 1024 with her grandfather, aunt and cousins, their name was Hurt and Lampey in1954 /1961 when we got married, anyone remember?
I was at the home in 1946/7 and remember going on the Downs with the nuns, and the crashed plane from the war, up there.
We lived at 26 Stenton Drive at that time that mother was widowed. My mother, Katie, married my stepfather James Maule after being widowed. My father was James and his father was a saddler. Our house was burned down, there was 5 of us at that time; Andy, me (Peter), Jean, David and Jimmy and we stayed with an aunt in Millbank Road in the old tenement building. Then we were rehoused to a new house in ...see more
I attended the Priory, as most 'South Parkites' did, I was born and grew up on Lyndhurst Road. There was only two people who owned cars on our street back then, Mr Jeffries a bus driver at Lesbourne Road garage and Mr Sageant a self employed window cleaner. We always had plenty of room to play in the street if we weren't 'up the park'. I have warm memories of growing up in South Park, there was a small parade of shops ...see more
Over seventy years ago my father and mother lived in Rose Cottage, half way down Commercial Street, but there was no Commercial Street then just a row of brick houses known as Brick Row. They faced the opposite way to Commercial Street and the church had a spire then, such a pretty village all flowers and water wheels, and baptisms took place in the brook.
Arrived after the August bank holiday in '62, I was 16. What a time, wine women & song - I'll never forget sleeping with WRAF in billet whilst the other 15 slept! Skiving morse class, nicking a motorbike to fetch bacon sarnies from Smokey Joe's. Of visitng Bonnie in the PBX for a warm-up, evading snoops to get in the WRAF block and passing out early to be posted to ElAdem! It really was one of the best times of my life.
I was born in Spennymoor in 1946. The Rink was a huge ballroom considering the size of the Town, it was owned and run by Hindmarsh Enterprises. The pub, not quite next door, was called The North Eastern and I snook in there from 15 onwards. Amazingly to us, big stars came to the Rink - Billy Fury, Helen Shapiro made her second ever appearance there, The Shadows and The Temperance Seven. There were lots of warm up bands ...see more
I went to Wheatley Primary School next to the church and Mr Evans was the headmaster. There used to be a bakery across the road where I bought a doughnut. Mr Stimpson was my teacher. I lived in The Avenue, Wheatley, my parents still do. I bought my sweets at George's, the Last Chance cafe was across the road. I used to go swimming in the pool at the Bridge Hotel where my friend lived.
Back in the good old 60's I was looking for work as a labourer and noticed that something was going on at Steventon Hill. I walked up the track and met foreman Charlie Bain who gave me a start doing the ground work and preparing the site. Charlie was a great character and the job also supplied work for my mates Ken Galvin, 'Limmy' Lynch and Ron Frankum. It was a cushy number to start with but later a ...see more
My memory refers to Manston Airport when the USAF were there in the 50's. We had a summer holiday home and every year there was a new set of American children to play with. I was 11, and Britain was a very boring place in those days, the Americans were so colourful and exotic. If any of those children were to read this page it would be wonderful to hear from them, in particular my old playmates ...see more
Would love to know if anybody remembers or has any photos of the Star public house in Crewe. My grandparents ran it for a while, Jean and Fred Butler. Would love to kknow if anybody has pictures or memories of the pub - think it may have been late 70's/ early 80's. Would love to hear from anybody.
I remember Shaftsbury Crescent very well, we lived in Princes Street, but had many friends in the area. I remember Valerie Longdon, also the Cholertons who lived near the Baseball Hotel at the bottom of Shaftsbury Crescent. My friend June Davies, lived in Rutland Street at no 60. My Dad's family lived in Princes Street for many years, and he would often go to the matches at the Baseball Ground. We also had an aunt who ...see more
I was at HMS Worcester in 1949/50 training for the catering dept in the Merchant Navy. I also remember pulling oars on the barge and jolly boat picking up stores etc..and across that short run to the boat the tide was very strong there at times, you really had to work at it. I also remember rowing over to the Cutty Sark twice a day to put up and take down the ships riding lights (I think this was when the cadets ...see more
Heading out of the village, our next port of call is the Scout Hut.  Was it still there?  Well the old gravel path that we used to walk or cycle up was blocked by new buildings.  So back to the main road and a scramble up the grassy bank, through the small wooded area, and there it was.  As luck would have it, due to a children’s party, the hut was open, and we ...see more
Stopping briefly outside the Working Men’s Club, the meeting place on Saturday lunchtimes for us Groby footballers before away games, we pass the chippy, the old blacksmiths where the old Smithy had let us watch him shoeing the horses on our way home from school, and Chaplin’s the family butcher. We had considered going down to the field on the road to Groby Pool, where ...see more
How many of us as fresh faced five year olds, on our very first day at school, look around the classroom and think ‘will any of these children be classed as ‘true’ friends fifty years from today’? Well none of us of course, we are far too young and nervous to be thinking of anything other than ‘when can I go home?’, but about a year ago my great buddy, John Hughes, pointed ...see more
Wow, we first moved in to No 20 right on the corner opposite Davy Dun. We came up to stay at our grans in the late 60's. Great times spent helping 'the parky' and sittin around the Maypole with the great clang clang and waiting for grandad, Dick Shaw, & dad to come back from bowling club. Grandad used to take us doon to the Dam and up the old railway to Windygates to Dorianos for a Ice Cream. No 20 stayed ...see more
I went to Taxal Lodge in 89-90, it was a school for so called 'bad eggs', but we weren't bad just a bit stubborn. I was one of the oldest at that time and can honestly say my memories are fond. Heard the sad state the place is in now, always thought I'd go back now I'm older but unfortunatley that is no longer possible.
My mum's family are from the Isle of Whithorn. My grandparents were George and Ellen McIlwraith of Stannock Farm. Their children were, Ivie, John, Mary, Jean, Effie, George and Ellie. My cousin and his wife, Murray and Dorothy McIlwraith, still live in the Isle. The McIlwraith's go back many generations in the Isle of Whithorn.
This photo means a lot to me as my Mam Lexi Hudson (née Murray), used to take me down the docks and down the ledges where she learned to swim years earlier with the swimming club. I did learn to swim then as it was the only option to drowning!
Somebody just described the River Ching by the Hatch exactly as I remember it as a child. The sandy path running along up to the football club where I remember getting Jimmy Tarbuck's autograph at a charity event held there. The cottages in the forest were always a mystery to us...we used to imagine witches lived there! The Horseless Carriage replaced the Manor Pub I think, they always used to have an old ...see more
We loved the flics on a Saturday morning, mum got rid of us all for a few hours we got our sweets in the Mayfare sweet shop opporsite before going in. It was always 'cowboys and indians', that's why it was called 'the ranch'.Sometimes the film would snap - well it snapped a lot and when it did we would all bang our feet. It was great, you could hear it outside, great fun - I don't remember anybody getting thrown out. My ...see more
My dad, Cliff O'Dell, frequented the pub on a regular basis, he always had 'a few' and always ended up singing "Danny Boy". He had a garage called O'Dell Bros, on Eastbrook Road, where my brother Cliff worked, also our cousin Andrew. Cliff went to Canada in 1968 and Dad passed away in 1972. My mum, Eileen, came to live in Basildon around 1985, she passed away in 2004. The memories of our childhood in Dagenham have ...see more
Kinglsey Marsh was renamed when the marsh was drained after WW1 and became Kingsley Green. This is the Midhurst to Haslemere road looking towards Haslemere. Somewhere on the right was the turnpike collectors home which was demolished some years before this picture was taken.
This is a picture of Fernhurst crossroads looking towards Haslemere, up the hill. Vann Road is to the left and Church Road is to the right. The building on the right is the local Post Office and I believe the building with the Hovis notice was the local store. Further up the hill is a the Spread Eagle pub.
The white building with the large doorway is the Midland Bank, now HSBC. Behind the trees is the Town Hall and to the left of the trees is Lloyds Bank.
This shop is on the junction of West Street and the High Street, Haslemere. I recall this shop being a menswear shop, but it is now an Aga cook shop.
This picture is taken from the green between Tanners Lane and Church Lane looking towards Saint Bartholomews Church.
I can recall this building being a hotel, but it was converted into retirement homes many years ago. It is now called Redwood Manor.
My late father, Rowland Leslie Williams, served with the Royal Artillery as a driver during the second world war. He served, in particular, with a Scottish Commando Regiment, although he was Welsh not Scottish, and at 40+ years of age, what now would be considered a bit 'long in the tooth' for a commando. He took part in the Normandy D-Day landings but quickly suffered gunshot wounds ...see more
The Haslemere Railway Station is the building on the right handside of the photo, on the left is the Haslemere Hotel, now known as the Inn On The Hill.
The car is parked outside the White Horse Hotel in Haslemere High Street, with the National Westminster Bank in the background.
This is a picture of Haslemere High Street looking towards the Town Hall in the centre of the photo.
This is a picture of the Petworth Road (formerly East Street), looking away from Haslemere High Street.
I lived at Benfieldside at the time the reservoir was being constructed and the lady next door (Mrs McKay) used to take in lodgers. One of the engineers working on the reservoir lived there for some time -.he worked for John Mowlem & Co. I have vivid memories of his gorgeous sports car, a soft top MGA in cream with red leather seats, which I hanker after to this day. He once took my friend and ...see more
I was born in 1952 and lived with my grandparents, mum and dad in Cross Whitehouse Row, Hunslet. When I was 6 months old we moved up across Hillidge Road to Ashbourne Street and then up to Belle Isle when I was about 4. It was a new house, the estates being built to replace the slum clearance that was taking place in Hunslet, athough I still went to St Joseph's School in Hunslet travelling by bus. We had a brand new house ...see more
I went to nursery school in the castle. We lived only 50 yards up the road in Loaning Road in the Munrospun factory. Number 3 Loaning Road belonged to Munrospun and my dad was the electrician and the house came with the job. There was a bomb shelter in the back garden that we played in daily. I walked to Craigentinny Primary with my brothers David and Brian. Went to the scouts in the church hall across from the ...see more
As a child my family lived on a farm about two miles from Hepple village. Like my 2 older brothers I attended the primary school at nearby Hepple. I started my school life there in August 1961 and remember being upset when my mother had to leave me behind, but my 2 older siblings were there to comfort me. Being a village school there was only one class of mixed ages from 5 to 9 yrs, at the age of nine ...see more
My sisters and I are Birchington born and bred and as far as I'm concerned growing up in Birchinton in the late fifties and early sixties was the best place in the world. My mum would collect my sisters from Sunday school and we would catch a bus from the square, usually the number 70 (a single decker coach in maroon and cream) then down to Minnis Bay - to be taken to the ice cream parlour as a real ...see more
133 Clemintine Road, Layton - Charles Henry Darby his wife Laura Charlotte Woolston. He was a baker, he had daughters; Vera Frances and Gwendoline Phyllis and sons; Ernest Edward and Joseph William. They had connections with Emmanuals Church, Lea Bridge Road. Anyone knowing this family or any decendents, please get in touch. Thank you, Joann
I was born in north London in 1951. We moved to 3 Penzance Road when I was about 6 months old, I lived there until 1972. I remember Wallies van, buying broken biscuits from the shop in Petersfield Ave, playing runouts and tin tan tommy. Making carts out of pram wheels and going down Lemington Hill sitting on a skate with a book on it. I had 3 good friends throughout my school years which started at Mead ...see more
My brother Tony and I lived with our grandparents Mr and Mrs Ford at 112 Watney Cottages. What a magical time we had, we knew all neighbours and doors were always open. We would collect the cows in for milking with grandad, and how the fresh milk tasted fantastic in the hot chocolate our nan would make. We collected conkers, chestnuts, blackberries and hazelnuts from the fields or lanes. I used to wind ...see more
I was born at 72 High Street in 1939, my parents were Maisie and Harry Heatherley. Theodora Jenkins was my father's sister, my aunty Dosia (as I knew her). She was a lovely lady, I lived with her and uncle Tom in Bristol for a while after my Dad died in 1943. I remember the little school where Miss Pritchard taught - what a lovely place to be as a child.
What can I say, I have fond memories of the Royal Masonic School for boys. Some comments were very poor in my opionion. They were some of the happiest years of my life, with good friends in Latham House in the 50's Whybrow, Grimsby, John Taylor. I wonder how these good friends ended up in life? Vic Lawton
I am the current owner and restorer of the former Town Hall. It was originally called Whitehall and is now called Mossley Hall. The Palm House in the picture was removed, along with the stained glass Atrium over the staircase, in 1958, due to decay. I was told this by the borough engineer that ordered the works at the time. He was a nice chap, Scottish, by the name of Jim Bruce. He came to visit me ...see more
I was brought up at Sandiacre and lived in Gas Street. I remember playing on Bouyant field and spending many a happy hour fishing for tiddlers in the canal and the Erewash. Ater leaving school, I worked at Bouyant, Lace Web and then Springfield Mills where I worked as a lace mender. My mam used to work at the Pencil factory and my dad worked at Taylor Brothers as a crane driver for many years. Often, on the way ...see more